User Tools
stories:kafuffle
Differences
This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.
| Next revision | Previous revision | ||
|
stories:kafuffle [2020/02/27 18:17] preavley created |
stories:kafuffle [2025/09/20 10:57] (current) pstureavley |
||
|---|---|---|---|
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
| - | ==== Kafuffle ==== | + | << safety_coast_guard_rescue|Previous Story^stories:bellingham_stories|Story List ^ stories:reply_sharon|Next Story>> |
| + | |||
| + | ===== Kafuffle ===== | ||
| - | \\ | ||
| **Reivers Dustin** \\ | **Reivers Dustin** \\ | ||
| - | 12/15/06 #2242 | + | 12/15/06 #2242 |
| - | LB has some status with local CG due to all those years of chairing\\ | + | LB has some status with local CG due to all those years of chairing the Ski-to-Sea. He mentioned today about receiving an official notice of consern regarding kayaker exposure to hazard. Hopefully, he'll be able to post something about this. |
| - | the Ski-to-Sea. He mentioned today about receiving an official notice\\ | + | |
| - | of consern regarding kayaker exposure to hazard. Hopefully, he'll be\\ | + | |
| - | able to post something about this. | + | |
| - | I'm aware of several deaths in the last decade involving sea\\ | + | I'm aware of several deaths in the last decade involving sea kayakers. None of these were Surskiers or even sit-on-top type boats. However, we are perceived as one of them dang kayaker types. |
| - | kayakers. None of these were Surskiers or even sit-on-top type\\ | + | |
| - | boats. However, we are perceived as one of them dang kayaker types. | + | |
| - | Due to National news coverage, I suspect that the machine has been\\ | + | Due to National news coverage, I suspect that the machine has been stimulated and feels an urge to respond. If anyone reading this has ideas about improving our relationship with relevant local agencies, please help. There is a chance that this might even hamper waterfront development issues. I'm worried that "they" will decide that small craft access should be limited as a way of limiting public exposure to hazard. |
| - | stimulated and feels an urge to respond. If anyone reading this has\\ | + | |
| - | ideas about improving our relationship with relevant local agencies,\\ | + | |
| - | please help. There is a chance that this might even hamper waterfront\\ | + | |
| - | development issues. I'm worried that "they" will decide that small\\ | + | |
| - | craft access should be limited as a way of limiting public exposure to\\ | + | |
| - | hazard. | + | |
| - | As LB said, local paddlers are mostly a highly educated, professional\\ | + | As LB said, local paddlers are mostly a highly educated, professional group. Unfortunately, this isn't quite enough of a ticket to a "leave us alone" policy. When you get noticed, you get help. |
| - | group. Unfortunately, this isn't quite enough of a ticket to a "leave\\ | + | |
| - | us alone" policy. When you get noticed, you get help. | + | |
| Any ideas? | Any ideas? | ||
| Line 31: | Line 19: | ||
| \\ | \\ | ||
| - | **Jeff Hegedus <jhegedus@...>** \\ | + | **Jeff Hegedus <jhegedus@…>** \\ |
| - | 12/16/06 #2243 | + | 12/16/06 #2243 |
| - | I view this incident as being similar to a typical alpine mountain rescue, where the\\ | + | I view this incident as being similar to a typical alpine mountain rescue, where the participants were responsible, capable and knowledgeable, and where neither negligence nor recklessness was involved. The incident is an opportunity to review and improve areas of decision making and preparedness, that will imake us safer, reassure our loved ones, and improve and evolve the sport. |
| - | participants were responsible, capable and knowledgeable, and where neither negligence\\ | + | |
| - | nor recklessness was involved. The incident is an opportunity to review and improve areas\\ | + | |
| - | of decision making and preparedness, that will imake us safer, reassure our loved ones,\\ | + | |
| - | and improve and evolve the sport. | + | |
| - | It is not inapprpriate for the Coast Guard to communicate a level of concern, and I receive\\ | + | It is not inapprpriate for the Coast Guard to communicate a level of concern, and I receive this feedback as being supportive rather than punitive. An appropriate response would be to thank them, and to describe to them our efforts to improve safety as a result of lessons learned. Search and Rescue doesn't expect the rescued alpinist to stay off the mountain, but does appreciate improvements in safety practices that result from an incident and their work. |
| - | this feedback as being supportive rather than punitive. An appropriate response would be\\ | + | |
| - | to thank them, and to describe to them our efforts to improve safety as a result of lessons\\ | + | |
| - | learned. Search and Rescue doesn't expect the rescued alpinist to stay off the mountain,\\ | + | |
| - | but does appreciate improvements in safety practices that result from an incident and\\ | + | |
| - | their work. | + | |
| - | This incident will pass, and when it has, I hope that we are left with an improved set of\\ | + | This incident will pass, and when it has, I hope that we are left with an improved set of safety practices, and an understanding with the Coast Guard of who we are and what we do, keeping it short simple and honest. Meanwhile, it should not be escalated by defensiveness, which would be natural; I have responded to inquiries by simply providing facts. |
| - | safety practices, and an understanding with the Coast Guard of who we are and what we\\ | + | |
| - | do, keeping it short simple and honest. Meanwhile, it should not be escalated by\\ | + | |
| - | defensiveness, which would be natural; I have responded to inquiries by simply providing\\ | + | |
| - | facts. | + | |
| - | Regarding waterfront redevelopment planning efforts, I am meeting Monday with the Port\\ | + | Regarding waterfront redevelopment planning efforts, I am meeting Monday with the Port Executive Director and Director of Marina Services to describe what the needs are of the growing paddling community; this incident will not affect these considerations. |
| - | Executive Director and Director of Marina Services to describe what the needs are of the\\ | + | |
| - | growing paddling community; this incident will not affect these considerations. | + | |
| - | It also won't affect my personal experience of being on the water, which I consider to be\\ | + | It also won't affect my personal experience of being on the water, which I consider to be very intensely private. |
| - | very intensely private. | + | |
| See ya' out there, Jeff. | See ya' out there, Jeff. | ||
| - | **Larry Bussinger <lbussing@...>** \\ | + | **Larry Bussinger <lbussing@…>** \\ |
| - | 12/17/06 #2249 | + | 12/17/06 #2249 |
| - | I plan on contacting the Bellingham Coast Guard Commandant and\\ | + | I plan on contacting the Bellingham Coast Guard Commandant and starting a line of communication with him. I have business with him under the auspices of Ski-to-Sea anyway (kind of an ad-hoc committee of one) and it gives me a opportunity to open a line of discussion. Mike Hammer's comments echo what I've heard in this forum. The Coast Guard should be a part of this discussion and we have an opportunity to establish a healthy protocal with them in regards tosafety and communication. |
| - | starting a line of communication with him. I have business with him\\ | + | |
| - | under the auspices of Ski-to-Sea anyway (kind of an ad-hoc committee\\ | + | Larry G. also has an opportunity to work with Stu Smith who is the Whatcom County Deputy in charge of water. With a little bit of forethought at this point, we can establish some guidelines between the sport and agency interaction. Like Eric points out, we're one of the largest groups for surfskis in the nation. (Sounds pretty pompus doesn't it?) Anyway, we can give some background to the Coast Guard of our sport and try to help them from getting too authoritarian. They are our friends. |
| - | of one) and it gives me a opportunity to open a line of discussion.\\ | + | |
| - | Mike Hammer's comments echo what I've heard in this forum. The\\ | + | |
| - | Coast Guard should be a part of this discussion and we have an\\ | + | |
| - | opportunity to establish a healthy protocal with them in regards to\\ | + | |
| - | safety and communication.\\ | + | |
| - | Larry G. also has an opportunity to work with Stu Smith who is the\\ | + | |
| - | Whatcom County Deputy in charge of water. With a little bit of\\ | + | |
| - | forethought at this point, we can establish some guidelines between\\ | + | |
| - | the sport and agency interaction. Like Eric points out, we're one\\ | + | |
| - | of the largest groups for surfskis in the nation. (Sounds pretty\\ | + | |
| - | pompus doesn't it?)\\ | + | |
| - | Anyway, we can give some background to the Coast Guard of our sport\\ | + | |
| - | and try to help them from getting to authoritative. They are our\\ | + | |
| - | friends. | + | |
| Two things,\\ | Two things,\\ | ||
| - | I plan on using Morris's Wind-O-meter as my personnel criteria for\\ | + | I plan on using Morris's Wind-O-meter as my personnel criteria for paddling.\\ |
| - | paddling.\\ | + | I plan on using Larry G's gage of "if you can't paddle upwind, don't paddle downwind". These two criteria should save me a pile of grief. |
| - | I plan on using Larry G's gage of "if you can't paddle upwind, don't\\ | + | |
| - | paddle downwind".\\ | + | By the way, for those of you who aren't engineers, the kinetic energy of wind is a velocity squared sort of thing. Wind at 40 mph is four times as strong as wind at 20 mph. not twice. |
| - | These two criteria should save me a pile of grief. | + | |
| + | \\ | ||
| + | **Re: Kafuffle/Wind force\\ | ||
| + | veronica wisniewski** \\ | ||
| + | 12/19/06 #2273 | ||
| + | |||
| + | Edoh points out that the force of the wind on the boat actually increases as the cube of the velocity. This is because the force is a function of the wind speed and the volume of wind hitting the boat, which is to say that the force at 40 mph is actually 8 times that of the force at 20 mph. Pretty rapid rise in the sphinctometer rating. | ||
| - | By the way, for those of you who aren't engineers, the kinetic\\ | + | Veronica |
| - | energy of wind is a velocity squared sort of thing. Wind at 40 mph\\ | + | |
| - | is four times as strong as wind at 20 mph. not twice. | + | |
Except where otherwise noted, content on this wiki is licensed under the following license: CC Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International
